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I have multiple scenes in a chapter, sometimes from different POVs, or different locations/times. Now I would like to make it clear to the reader that they have left a scene and are entering a new one.

Now, Scrivener (which I just started using, so I'm not an expert), places a '#' between scenes, but I have never seen this in a real book.

I have seen things like:

.---------------

or

x--------------x

to separate scenes.

I'm not so interested in what the style manuals say, I just want to make it easy for the readers to understand they are in a new scene.

What is the easiest way to accomplish this?

Edit: To clarify, I'm planning to self publish, so I will be doing the manuscript formatting myself.


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I was using three asterisks, centered, which worked well in self-published books. However, I recently posted a new work to Fictionpress.com in order to get some feedback on it. Fictionpress.com does not like three asterisks, centered. It does, however, accept periods, commas, and some other marks. I tried a line of periods, but the site condensed it down to an ellipsis. However, period space period ad infinitum works. So does a line of commas, but that's ugly. I would prefer to use ***, but . . . . . works just as well to let the reader know there's been a scene or time
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Well in the book IT they switch from different point of view and different time periods a lot but how Stephen King does it is he does this thing where he numbers sections in the chapter, I’m explaining it bad but it’s like this: “Beverly walked down the street and ate ice cream like a normal 11 year old would. She wanted to forget what had just happened but
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The memories wouldnt stop rushing in her adult mind, it felt like her adult mind was a drain and her childhood was a truckload of water on top “ something like that idk I’m bad but that’s what he does you’ll probably get better examples from the actual book he switches like that the whole time


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Whoa I do not know where you learned to write, but at our book and Ebook formatter service, we use flourishes to separate subchapters in a book. Sometimes small ones some times larger ones. This is the only proper method.

If you are using html this may be harder to do. Chances are, you will have to convert them to .jpg or .png files instead of .eps. This method takes care of paperback books and ebooks, and makes them manageable and good looking.


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I recommend you put in 3 or more asterisks on a single line, like so:

* * *

… because that appears as 3 asterisks in plain text, but appears as a semantically-correct horizontal rule when that plain text is machine-converted to HTML.

For example, notice what Stack Exchange does to the same 3 asterisks you see above if I do not put them in a code block:

… they get machine-converted to a horizontal rule for free.

If your manuscript is going to be published on the Web or as an eBook, then accurate machine-conversion to HTML saves time and money and reduces errors.

A horizontal rule can also be quickly and easily styled via CSS by the designer of your website or book to appear as a Unicode glyph or a custom illustration.

So the 3 asterisks that you originally type show as asterisks in plain text, horizontal rule in plain HTML, and any kind of custom separator in styled HTML. With no laborious, error-prone editing of the actual manuscript. Your original intent will stay true all the way to the reader.


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Scrivener exists, in part, to put manuscripts into standard manuscript format. The # mark it uses as the default section break is, frankly, a little puzzling to me. (Apparently this is standard for SFWA format, see the comments.)

Manuscripts in any variant of standard manuscript format will separate sections by either an empty line or three asterisks. However, when these fall at the end or the beginning of a page, they're easy to miss, so writers will often use lines of asterisks or similar symbols. Scrivener's default pound sign is fine for this purpose.

Leave the symbols and lines to the graphic designers. You're a writer, and you should worry about the words, not the design. Using lines of dashes in the manuscript, particularly when they're of random length, comes across to me as, frankly, slightly amateurish. But whatever you use to separate sections should be consistent throughout the manuscript.

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Re-reading this question, I'm guessing that, since you're concerned with readers, this may be a situation such as an e-book or web publication, where manuscript format is irrelevant. If that's the case, it doesn't matter what you use, but I do suggest picking a simple marker such as three asterisks or bullets and centering them in the space in-between sections. With web publications and ebooks, you have no way of knowing how the text will hyphenate, so simply using white space in-between sections may not be the clearest way of breaking up sections.


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I think the easiest way to signify that you've left a scene and are entering a new one is one of two things. first, you could just hit the return button a few times. most readers realize what this means because they've grown accustomed to it. another way is to insert some sort of symbol (e.g. ~ or something) a line or two under the scene you're leaving and before the scene you're entering.


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Once your document is compiled, you can go through and change the # to three returns, which is what's usually used. (The only time I see multiple asterisks is if a scene end happens to fall at the bottom of a page, and the * is to let the reader know that the next page starts a new scene.)

I wouldn't sweat it too much; if you're fortunate enough to get a book contract, your publisher will be laying out the book according to their standards, and if you're self-publishing, you can do whatever you like (as long as it's consistent).


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Never seen a professional book that didn't separate scenes by a triple newline.


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I guess it depends how you compile your text in Scrivener if you get the '#' or not.

Scenes within a chapter are normally separated by blank lines. Like this:

This is a scene.
And here is its end.

This is a new one.
Keep writing.

If you send your manuscript to a publisher and it is edited/copyedited, transformed for printing, then these new lines can be easily missed. That means, where you put in a scene break is none in the printed book, because someone accidentally deleted the blank line.

To avoid this, the #-signs are inserted. Then it is obvious for the publisher guys where a scene ends.

If you self-publish your book, you can use whatever you want to separate lines. As long as you like it. It's your book.


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You could take the five-star approach:

* * * * *

Or you could just use a significant amount of whitespace.


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