: Should dull dialogue be removed completely? The following dialogue is from a novel I'm writing (first draft): "You're quiet tonight," Erin said to Benjamin, who seemed to be lost in thoughts.
The following dialogue is from a novel I'm writing (first draft):
"You're quiet tonight," Erin said to Benjamin, who seemed to be lost
in thoughts.
He looked up and took a sip of his drink. "I'm a bit tired,
that all."
"Too much work?"
"Yeah, it's killing me, you know. My boss should really hire more
teachers."
"Why don't you find something else? You've been doing this for a
while. I bet you can find something better."
"It's hard to find a job these days. What if I quit and can't find
another? I don't want to end up sleeping in a park and drink cheap
sake from a paper bag."
Erin laughed. "That would never happen. No matter what, you can always
move to my place."
"I don't think that would be a good idea. You know what they say:
living together before marriage kill relationships."
...
"By the way," Erin suddenly said while tracing circles on the rim of
her glass, “is that new co-worker bothering you? You know, the one who
talks to you all the time."
Benjamin took a sip of his drink. "What's wrong? You're
jealous?"
"Nah," Erin said, looking to the side, "just asking."
"She's just talkative, that's all. Besides, she's
new. She just want to learn as much as she can."
"I see," Erin said, half-smiling.
"You never ask these kind of questions," Benjamin said with a suspicious look.
"Is there something wrong?"
...
"That's right," Benjamin said after a moment. "Did you feel the
earthquake last night?"
Erin was about to sip her glass but then stopped. She looked up, and stared at
Benjamin with her lips slightly parted. Am I the only one who missed the
earthquake? She wondered if she was indeed living
in the same city as everyone else.
Each part of the dialogue reveals something about the characters. But I feel the first part is very dull (I guess the second part is more exciting). And the third part is the "climax" of the dialogue.
What should I do in cases like this? Should I remove the dull part completely or should I keep it?
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@Merenda569
If you have dull dialogue, make it intentional. Use it to set up a sense of normalcy before throwing the characters into turmoil. Many Japanese Light Novels start off the new volume with a slice-of-life story to establish the new setting and any new information, regardless of how boring, before putting them into the action again.
You can also use this time to establish problems, build characters and their relationships, or flesh out the world. The best story building comes from non-exposition-dumps, so causally mentioning details in conversation is a good way to go.
If the conversation is ultimately pointless to the characters, plot, tension, or themes of your story, then you should either make it relevant or axe it.
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@Odierno164
I would note one thing: The "dull" first passage has eight lines. The medium middle passage has four lines. And the interesting last passage has two.
If anything, it should be the other way. Cut down the dull first passage to no more than four lines, and "beef up" the interesting passage to four (or more) lines.
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@Lee1909368
Don't cut it if you can make it better. You are wasting some conflicts here and your inputs to the scenes are a bit simplistic. In the first example you have him tired and her sympathetic. Both of those are quite weak. We've all been there and said the same things so you're telling us nothing about the characters. Tiny tweaks to those inputs could inspire better dialogue. You just need an extra dimension to each state of mind.
In the first example you could have her masking anger at his lack of energy. Maybe she wants some intimacy (verbal or physical) and he's 'too tired'... again! Have her openly angry at whoever is doing this to her man. But have us wonder who is she more angry with. Have him know exactly what solution she's going to propose, and cut her off beforehand. What does that say about his forward-thinking about their relationship? In short, she's sympathetic and frustrated, he's tired and defensive.
In the second example, she's jealous, and he's not really responding. What extra element could make this scene not quite so 'on the nose'? About her, maybe she hates jealous people so overcompensates. Or you could try blending in some other feelings almost at random, e.g. trust, boredom, regrets, loneliness. How would they change her dialogue? About him, is he hyper-alert to her jealousy or completely oblivious? How does he feel about jealousy and trust. Set up some questions for the reader.
If you have fun with these, you might find at the very end, her reaction to being 'different' may be much more complex.
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@Miguel976
Sounds pretty good, in that I can kind of picture the scenes. (Of course, I actually know a couple with these names.)
If you're worried, though, play around a little with the scenes. Record yourself saying the dialogue out loud. Then playback, listening with fresh ears. (Kind of like when you revise.) Listen for anything that sounds too stilted & edit.
Take a break if you need it. One teacher advised our class to carry a writer's notebook (memo pad, journal, whatever you like). Go out and observe. Jot down ideas, snippets of overheard conversations. (And snippets - you don't need to transcribe word-for-word. Add a general descriptive or two of who's speaking - young/old, male/female, friends/strangers, etc. You're just giving yourself a little context.)
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@Samaraweera193
It does depend a little on the genre of your story. If this is supposed to be an actiony-crime-thriller, you probably should cut it. If it's normally slower-paced and this doesn't seem too out of place, it should be fine if it isn't too long.
One thing, though. Give them actions that have nothing to do with their drinks. Have them tap their fingers on the table, play with their hair, adjust their clothes, but the only actions that don't have to do with their face in this excerpt are about the glasses they're holding. Make sure you don't rely too much on one thing--it gets repetitive.
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@Phylliss352
It's pretty readable as is (aside from a few grammatical errors in the dialogues that may be intentional) - not boring.
That aside, as the other answers mention, even the fastest paced action story/movie has some slow spots to provide context and motivation as well as to just let the viewer/reader catch their breath.
The characters also need time to absorb what has happened to them so they can change and not just proceed exactly as before because they haven't had time to process anything.
Non-stop action becomes boring when there's no time to consider the consequences, to start wondering what's going to happen next. The reader has to understand (or think they understand) who the characters are and identify with them so they care about what happens to them. To do this with any degree of depth almost always requires some "slow" spots.
One book I liked started with 10 or 15 pages of description of a throne room to the point where you could almost see every jewel on the columns. Absolutely nothing happened, but it was fascinating none the less.
Also, I remember seeing The Deer Hunter. The start of the movie has action, but it's a wedding that seems to have nothing to do with what the "real" story is about - could be misconstrued as boring/irrelevant. But, I remember thinking, "My God, if this part is so real and so well done, how am I ever going to deal with it when they get to the part about the Vietnam war!"
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@Frith254
Yes, dull dialog should be removed completely (or transformed to interesting dialog).
That said, I assume you misunderstand "dull" in this context. As always in fiction it's the conflict which drives the story. And your first part has conflict:
"Yeah, it's killing me, you know. My boss should really hire more teachers."
Conflict: Problems with the boss
"Why don't you find something else? You've been doing this for a while. I bet you can find something better."
Conflict: Boy-friend sets her under pressure getting her ass up to search a new job.
"... No matter what, you can always move to my place."
"I don't think that would be a good idea."
Well, if that isn't a classical conflict, I do not know, how you define one.
Don't shoot all your ammo at the beginning. You want to increase suspense, so start low and add up piece by piece. It looks like you are doing exactly that.
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@Dunderdale623
I agree with Lauren's answer: You need highs and lows in any story. As long as you're not boring the reader, maybe these excerpts are just low points.
But momentum counts for an awful lot, and it's difficult to judge how "dull" these actually are out of context. For example, when Benjamin looked at Erin despite being lost in thought, did that have significance? When Erin missed the earthquake, was that typical for her or was it an alarming exception for a character who's normally observant?
If you set up these dull moments properly, they might not be as dull as you think.
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@YK4692630
You should watch - or maybe better read up on - Hitchcock's movies.
Build up a sense of normal, dull life, then shatter it. The more standard, dull the image, the harder the blow hits, the stronger the effect.
Of course don't overdo it, don't just bore the reader, but setting up the pristine stage for a disaster is an essential step. Add some good foreshadowing and make it ring now and then in the dialogue with the reader realizing but the characters oblivious to it, and you are sending cold chills down the reader's spine.
A dull dialogue may be an immensely powerful literary tool if applied correctly.
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@Debbie451
If it's important to character or plot, liven it up a bit. Dress it with stage business. Add some thoughts or descriptions of the setting.
I don't find it particularly dull in context. Not every conversation has to have fireworks going off. Sometimes you just have a quiet moment between two people.
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